Sauna ceiling height: the law of löyly vs. the bleacher effect

When designing and building our own saunas, hot room ceiling height is a key decision. Sauna bench height is defined and constrained by our hot room ceiling height.

Whether we choose an 8′ ceiling (244 cm) or a 7′ ceiling (213 cm) , or some height in between, our first definition is:

Upper bench height: 44″ from ceiling (112 cm)

This upper bench height is a critical measurement as it allows for 2 fists above your head to the ceiling, as we sit on the upper bench. This gives us access to the best heat, “without leaving anything on the table.” (Mike Norsdog, Opposite of Cold). Further, this bench height allows for air flow around our head, where it matters most.

Middle bench height: 18″ from upper bench (46 cm)

Empirically minded sauna builders have been known to walk around with tape measures charting the height of their couches, dining room chairs, desk chairs and even park benches (when nobody’s watching). Consensus on this measurement (mean, median, mode) is about 18″ (46 cm). So, generally we adopt this measurement for the height from upper bench to middle bench. There is wiggle room here. Examples where one may consider, say, 16″ space between upper and middle bench may be where the most use case is with folks who are less tall than the average bear, eg. shorter significant others, a lot of kid use, etc. A 16″ space between upper and middle bench reduces feet dangling, and creates a gentle flow up, climbing up and down.

The law of löyly

Finns are generally very accepting people, especially as it relates to sauna. There is a “free spirit” of few rules with Finnish sauna. Dogma in this case is more a combined word of a common house pet and what Italian Americans often call their mothers. Simply put, the law of löyly means that as you sit on the upper bench, your feet are at or above the height of your sauna rocks. To a Finn, the law of löyly could be as important as beating Sweden in the World Junior hockey tournament. Outspoken sauna aficionados from the Motherland of sauna are easily riled with the idea of sitting on the upper bench and having one’s feet below the sauna rocks.

Meeting the law of löyly with a taller hot room ceiling

Not all sauna stove heights are created equal. I am a big fan of the Kuuma sauna stove. This stove sits proudly off the floor 34″ tall (86 cm), (32″ for the stove, 2″~ for a base). Saving you the math, a 7′ ceiling means a trip to the penalty box for breaching the law of löyly. Shorter, more stout sauna stoves can help a 7′ ceiling meet the law of löyly, but not the Kuuma stove. For a new build, we can push our ceiling up to 7’6″ (229 cm) or even 8′ (244 cm), and we are playing 5 on 5 hockey with no frowns from the Finns. Sitting on the upper bench, can our feet now meet the height of our sauna rocks?

The height from middle bench to floor, with a 7’6″ tall hot room is 28″ (71 cm). (MATH: 90″ – 44″ – 18″ = 28″). Geez, now what? Well, we can set our “3rd bench” 18″ down from our middle bench, and that leaves us with a clunky 10″ (25 cm) drop from the 3rd bench to the floor of our hot room. In this instance, a 10″ raised floor from changing room may be a greater evil than the penalty box. We’re talking a trip to the locker room for a busted head from a fall navigating from the mega step up from grade, up to the 3rd bench, up to the 2nd bench and settling our butt down on the upper bench. And after all this climbing, even with this configuration, our feet would be a good 8″ below the rocks, while sitting on the upper bench.

The Bleacher Effect with 8′ ceilings

As we consider the height of our hot room ceiling, meeting the law of löyly for a 34″ tall sauna stove requires us to build our hot rooms with 8′ tall ceilings. (244 cm). Breaking this verticality down into manageable steps and benches require 5 levels of maneuvering.

  1. Upper bench (44″ from ceiling)
  2. Middle bench (18″ from upper bench)
  3. Lower bench (18″ from middle bench)
  4. Raised floor (8″ from lower bench)
  5. Step (8″ from raised floor).

All these levels are dizzying. Add wet feet, a little lightheadedness, a bucket of löyly water, and a grumpy Uncle yelling “close the door!” and you’ve got yourself navigating the Bleacher Effect. Remember in high school making your way up the bleachers and feeling the eyes of every other student on you? That’s the Bleacher Effect in action. Plus we have that extra 1′ of cubic volume of hot room to heat.

We want our saunas to be comfortable. We come and go into our saunas a few times each sauna session. Climbing bleachers get ourselves away from the flow of good sauna. So, we need to balance the law of löyly with the Bleacher Effect.

Saunas in the public domain have a larger footprint than our home, backyard saunas. Larger saunas can afford the space for lots of steps. As example Rajaportti Sauna in Tampere has several steps up to the “2nd level.” Kaupinoja sauna has several benches flanked on both sides very similar to stadium bleachers. Lonna Sauna in Helsinki has a landing, half way up the stairs, which offers access to toss water on the rocks. These public saunas work as the footprint is generous enough to bring the sauna bather up, up, and above the sauna stove rocks.

Small, private saunas require much more space economy

So, as we consider the height of our own backyard saunas or indoor saunas, we have to balance the law of löyly vs. the Bleacher Effect. An easy work around for our private saunas with lower ceilings is to simply settle ourselves onto the upper bench, then bring our feet up onto the upper bench, thereby our entire body is above the sauna rocks. This could be American ingenuity or German engineering. Whichever the case, we respect the law of löyly, but we don’t want to fall on our ass getting there.

Sauna bather avoiding the Bleacher Effect yet in the penalty box for law of löyly infraction within a 7′ tall sauna.

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16 thoughts on “Sauna ceiling height: the law of löyly vs. the bleacher effect”

  1. I followed the stove manufactures recommendations for room size. Now I have a hungry beast of a stove that always wants wood to hit 70C as well as a longer heat up time in cold weather. I suggest cross referencing the stove specs against Glens plans and then lean towards Glens

  2. I am building a basement sauna and was looking for guidance from the community about the concrete floor. Outside of duckboards for comfort, do I need to cover the concrete with tile or other material?

  3. Slant the ceiling low on the stove end,
    then combine wall and floor into a slant under the benches – now you have less air space to heat and an 8 ft ceiling for the high benches.
    Next, add a hand rail or two for the climb and a gutter to send water to the rocks… would that work?

  4. What about recommendations–Bench heights
    —Low end—73—stove end
    —High end—90–Bench end
    —Length–93——toes extended, arms extended
    —-upper Bench width–26…..I like to sit with legs crossed or feet forward onto Stove safety bar (sometimes too hot)
    —I’m 5′ 11″

  5. Hi Glenn,
    I’m really enjoying your website and podcast – thank you.

    My grandparents came here from Finland, so my dad grew up with home-built saunas and he passed that love to me. I am now in my 60’s and finally building my own!

    After talking to Dale at Lamppa Manufacturing about their Kuuma stoves, I changed my mind about the slanted ceiling (that we talked about in an earlier comment) – (Dale wants lot’s of height above their stove).

    So, I played with it some more…
    I tried a gem-shaped room – with the stove in the base of the “gem” and benches in the crown.
    With the stove oriented that way, the fire in the stove window is visible from all benches.
    I was able to get an 8’ ceiling, two 20”x 90” benches… top bench feet level with the Kuuma stove rocks… all at 54 sq. ft.

    I’d like to send you the drawings – is there a way, since they won’t post here?

  6. Ken,

    I arm wrestle Dale every time i’m at the plant about a couple things.

    1) You need 24″ wide benches. Trust me on this! And his ass is wider than mine, so he should know better.
    2) Ceiling height. I don’t like leaving extra heat on the table (Mike N. Opposite of Cold). I’ve nudged my ideal ceiling height up a few inches up from 7′, and there is the UL setback issue from top of stove, but i’ve done the cement board surround, like when I built the 612 Sauna Hot room…

    This post about bench height may get you thinking..

  7. Thanks Glenn,
    I’ll have to play with some mock-up benches to nail down the size.

    What do you think about the “Gem” shape for the hot room?
    With the Kuuma Stove Set into a squared off corner of about 55 degrees – Stove window facing the benches, So we can see the fire.
    The benches Would be set in the crown of the gem.
    Have you ever built or seen something like this?

  8. Hi Glenn, Longtime reader, first-time writer, soon-to-be first-time builder,
    I’m 6’5 and hoping my sauna will be a popular neighborhood gathering place, so leaning towards an 8×8 hot room/6×8 cool room. If I want to stay out of the loyly penalty box, should I get me shed built with 8′ high studs? It isn’t divine proportion, but 8 is auspicious so 8x8x8 could be a very lucky sauna.
    Thanks for the blog and podcast!

  9. Zach:

    We either think alike, or you are an astute reader of saunatimes. Love your question, and yes, 8′ high wall is certainly doable. I like lower wall heights, mainly because a smaller sauna out building, can start to look a little “boxy” if too tall. Yes, 8x8x8 is auspicious! Very good. Before you settle on that, try a couple 7’6″ studs and mock up how that would look in your backyard. Reverse gable 5/12 pitch may be a good look for you.

    Now, I know your 6’5″ is taller than the avg. bear, but the key is 43″ or 44″ from ceiling to top bench, even with your height. Try it. I think you’ll be able to get 2 fists above your head to the ceiling. That’s the key and that’s where it starts. Then try 18″ from upper bench to middle bench (often referred to as lower bench), then you’ll start to get an idea of how to bridge the gap from middle bench to floor.

    This is where we look to balance the bleacher effect, and your 8×8 footprint may be able to handle the third bench or raised floor.

    Great of you to take ownership to these numbers for your own design. Lemme know how you make out!

  10. Hi Glenn. I am looking at a heater that is 2.75’ tall. To maintain the law of loyly Im thinking of building a 1.75’ deep “pit” for the heater, so that the top sits 1’ above the floor. From there Im thinking I set the lower bench at +1.5 (6 inches above the top of the heater, the upper bench at +3, and the ceiling at +7. This is slightly more than the 44” you recommend but maybe that is ok? Or perhaps I lower the ceiling and/or increase the bench heights slightly.

    Im wondering what you think of all this. I think I can build the pit fairly easily including drainage, and I think I could also use it to help pull fresh air in from the outside and up through the heater.

  11. I like it!

    And when you get it done, let’s do a guest post, as I’m already thinking of the title. “Sauna stove mosh pit for law of löyly slam dancing”.

    The way I would execute is to work from the ceiling down. 44″ is a magic dimension, (two fists above your head) so go with that. Then 18″ to middle bench, and that will be the hight of your stove. Work from there, and the law of löyly police won’t issue you the red card. You may find doing this will decrease the depth of your sauna mosh pit, which will work in your favor.

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