Electric sauna stove brands, sizing, controls, and design well researched and reviewed by a professional electrical engineer (Part I)

here.Ed Note: This is part 1 of a 2 part post looking at electric sauna heaters.  This post looks at brands, sizing, controls, and design.  Part 2 will follow soon and address construction, spacing, repair, and gray-market sauna stoves.  Enter Jeff:

I wrote a few months back about the outdoor sauna we were building in Southern California.  Due to the brush fire hazard, local zoning, and nearby neighbors, a wood-burning stove really wouldn’t work for us.  That meant going with an electric heater though I really didn’t know much about them at first.  After doing months of research I’ve gotten quite an education and Glenn asked us to pass along what we’ve learned.  Hopefully, Sauna Times readers find this helpful.

Electric Heater Variety

The variety of electric sauna heaters available in North America seems a bit overwhelming on first glance.  There are at least ten different brands, each with several model lines.  The manufacturer and retailer’s websites aren’t very helpful as they are dominated by marketing hype and claims of superiority without much substance.  Most seem better at confusing rather than informing.

Where to start? The number of electric sauna stove choices seems overwhelming at first. Looks can be deceiving. 

I started compiling a spreadsheet to sort them out and quickly noticed a surprising amount of commonality.  It turns out that most of the available family sauna units are different variations of the same basic wall-mounted design.  This was surprising until I understood two things:

  • The US market is dominated by two big European manufacturers, Tylo-Helo and Harvia, and a couple of minor players. Much of the apparent variety comes from rebadging the same core design under different brand names.
  • Only the most common designs that are likely to sell well are certified for the North American market.  Most of the minor European manufactures haven’t been certified in the US.  In addition, the major manufacturers have only certified their most popular variants.  This has resulted in a rather bland selection compared to that available in Europe.
The Finlandia FLB series (left) and the Harvia KIP series (right), both are manufactured by Harvia Oy in Finland and are the same unit with cosmetic changes. Think of the Chevy Camaro and the Pontiac Firebird and you’ll get the idea.

So remember that Finlandia and Harvia are the same.  Amerec, Finnleo, Helo, and Polar all fall under the Tylo-Helo umbrella and are at best very similar using the same parts, with some models being rebadged units.  Tylo, while being part of the Tylo-Helo umbrella, is a bit of an outlier as its models are unique.  Of the North American manufacturers, Saunacore and Sauna Craft are the same and made in Canada.  Scandia is a reputable US manufacturer, though its units look a bit too utilitarian for my tastes.

There are some Chinese and other off-brand units available that on the surface look to be bargains.  I didn’t spend much time researching these and never seriously considered them.  Sauna heaters by design generate high heat levels in a highly combustible environment.  On top of that, they run relatively high voltage (240 Volts) through a metal box into which we dump water.  They can outgas if not made of heat stable materials.  Based on this, I only considered manufacturers with a long history of not burning down saunas, electrocuting or poisoning their customers.  I’m not saying these off-brands are a risk, but I wanted to see some history before entrusting my family’s safety.  Sort of like how no one wants to be a new surgeon’s first operation.

After browsing though some European sauna store websites, one can’t help but become envious at the huge selection available to the European consumer.  It is possible to buy from these sites and have the units shipped to the US.  There are some real challenges and potential pitfalls in doing this, that we’ll discuss in part 2 regarding “gray-market” heaters.

The Harvia Globe is a cool-looking orb with a large exposed stone surface for loyly. Interested? Unfortunately it, along with a multitude of other unique designs, isn’t certified for North America. Most US units are the same bland wall-mounted box design.

 Sauna Heater Sizing

First thing to do is estimate the required heater size as it will drive all remaining decisions.  These guidelines are from Harvia, but they’re sound and typical for the industry.  Undersizing will cause real misery as the sauna will take an inordinate period to heat up if it ever gets there.  Oversizing can be an issue also (though less of one IMO) as you don’t want the heater to feel like a blast furnace when it cycles on.

Note that these guidelines assume a properly constructed and well-insulated sauna. These also assume a 7 foot maximum ceiling height as higher heights significantly increase heating requirements.  If you go that route you are on your own.  Round the final answer up rather than down to prevent undersizing.

Guideline 1: Allot 1 kW of heater power per 45 cubic feet of sauna interior volume

Guideline 2: For each non-insulated square meter (10.75 square feet) of wall surface, add 1.2 cubic meters (42 cubic feet) to the volume of the sauna.  This would include walls made of rock or brick, and large windows.

Guideline 3: For outdoor saunas in very cold climates, consider bumping it up a size if your calculated value is close to the standard size


  • 5’ x 7’ family sauna with a 7 foot ceiling ->5 x 7 x 7 = 245 cu ft (guideline 1)
  • 32” x 16” window ->  (32 x 16)/144 = 3.55  sq ft / 10.75 = 0.33 sq meter.  Thus 0.33 x 42 = additional 14 cu ft (guideline 2)
  • Total = 245 cu ft + 14 cu ft = 259 cubic feet -> 259/45 = 5.75 kW
  • Outdoors in a moderate climate -> no adjustment (guideline 3)

Thus we end up with a 5.75 kW need, bumped up to 6 kW or 6.8 kW as these are standard sizes depending upon the manufacturer.

A typical family sauna usually will usually end up somewhere in the 5 to 8 kilowatt (kW) heater range.

Electrical Power Needs

Anything above 2 kW (suitable for only small 1-2 person saunas) will require a dedicated 240 Volt circuit wired directly from the electrical service panel.  This might seem overly complicated but it really isn’t as all modern US homes have 240 Volts available even if it only has 120 Volt outlets and appliances.

(Standard disclaimer: These points are passed along to educate.  If you don’t know what you are doing or aren’t willing to spend some serious time doing research first, hire a qualified electrician to do the actual work.  The National Electric Code has specific requirements on wire size, wire type, conduit size, conduit depth, grounding, breaker sizing, and other odds and ends that must be followed to ensure a safe and compliant installation.  Some of these requirements aren’t intuitive and your family’s safety is at stake. )

A quick assessment of the home’s electrical panel will let you know what sort of shape you are in.  Look for three things:

  • The existing electrical service size in Amps – This can be found on the main breaker, usually labeled “MAIN” or “SERVICE DISCONNECT”.This will be a double breaker that is often larger in size than the others with typical values of 100, 125, 150, 200 Amps, or even higher.
  • The existence of other 240 Volt appliances – These will be double breakers that serve large appliances such as electric ranges or water heaters, or an air conditioning compressor.Look for anything marked 30 Amps or larger.
  • Spare spaces in the panel – Either spaces where the breakaway metal tabs have not been punched out or is filled with a plastic blank.
Typical service panel, the MAIN is at the top in this example and lists the Amp rating on the switch lever. Two 240 Volt branch circuits (double width) are present on the lower right. Plenty of spare spaces available here.

A family sauna heater will typically need a new 30 or 40 Amp breaker/sizing depending on the kW rating.  Generally, expect a 6 kW to need a new 30 Amp breaker, and 8 kW unit to need 40 Amps.  The exact current draw can be calculated by:

Heater size in Watts / 240 Volts = Current draw in Amps.

One kilowatt (kW) = 1000 Watts.  Thus a 6 kW unit will draw 25 Amps, with wiring and breaker sized for 30 Amps, the next higher standard size.

If your existing service size is 150 Amps or higher you should be fine.  If it’s smaller and you don’t have exiting 240 Volt appliances, you again should be fine.  If it’s small and you do have existing 240 Volt circuits you will need to do a little more research.

As an example, an older home with a 100 Amp service with air conditioning, an electric water heater, and a new sauna heater all running at the same time could exceed the 100 Amp service.  This isn’t dangerous as the breaker will trip and protect the home (assuming it’s in good working order).  It will be extremely annoying though, particularly when one is trying to unwind in the sauna after a long day.

If you fall into this camp, a qualified electrician should perform a load assessment before going further.  It is not as simple as adding up the breaker totals as no one uses all branch circuits to capacity at the same time.  It’s a statistical analysis that determines the highest load the service will likely encounter in daily usage.  If the load calculation exceeds your existing service level, it might be worthwhile to upgrade your service panel and feeder lines.  Be prepared to spend several thousand dollars.

Hopefully not required but do your research first rather than realize the need after you’re in the dark.

Assuming we’ve cleared that hurdle, next check to ensure you have two adjacent spare spaces in the panel.  They must be adjacent as a double breaker is required with the trip levers tied together.  If you have two but they aren’t adjacent, a competent individual can rearrange them in the panel to free up two next to each other.  If you don’t have two, spaces can be opened up by using tandem (half size) breakers.  Convert some of the existing 120 Volt circuits to tandems so you can use a full size double breaker for the new 240 Volt sauna circuit.  Note that not all panels allow the installation of tandem breakers so don’t just assume this is feasible without checking first.

If you’ve made it this far, it’s time to start drilling down into the available heaters.

Built in Controls versus Remotes

The next major decision point is the heater controls.  The lowest cost models simply incorporate the controls into the heater itself, usually two knobs located at the bottom of the unit.  There’s a temperature knob and a time knob, all one really needs to enjoy a good sauna.  Simple, straight-forward, functional, and relatively inexpensive.

Tylo Sport wall-mounted unit with built in controls

Personally, I was looking for something a bit more sophisticated and I also wanted the controls outside the sauna itself since I have small kids and didn’t want them monkeying with them.  There are manual remote controls that do little more than move these knobs outside the sauna, perhaps with a coarse time delay knob added on for some additional convenience.  These will add one or two hundred dollars in cost and I’m not quite sure I get it.  To me these look like they belong in a gym or a hotel fitness room and they also make an annoying ticking sound.  To each their own.

A Polar manual remote control that would seems like it would look right at home at the YMCA.  We were looking for something more functional and stylish.

The next step up is a full digital control that allows programming the specific temperature, sauna time, and delayed start.  It also incorporates sauna lighting and an optional exhaust fan control.  Further, the control can be programmed to automatically start and end a drying cycle and activate the exhaust fan and the end of the sauna session.  There are also a few other customizable settings in the controls.  It includes a digital temperature readout much like a home thermostat.

Harvia Xenio control panel and remote junction box (more on this below).  This control is for a combi unit and can set both temperature and humidity.

These controls are typically an add-on and the prices can cause sticker shock being upwards of $500.  While they aren’t cheap, they aren’t quite the overpriced rip-off they might seem to be on first glance.  Remember that the cost of the heater itself will be cheaper without the built-in controls, usually on the order of $100 or more.  Also, most of these digital controls will typically move all the electronics except the heater elements and temperature sensors outside the hot room into a separate, remote contactor box.  This separate box is usually included in the remote control package price.

There is a real benefit in wear and tear in locating these parts in a room temperature environment.  The remote box will typically include a circuit board with some sort of microcontroller and one or more heavy duty contactors (electrical relays).  Electronics don’t like either heat or humidity, and are subject to early failure unless specifically designed and tested for such environments (i.e. military grade).  In addition, these types of failures are often intermittent thus being difficult to troubleshoot.  As the electronics are usually the most expensive components to replace, putting them outside the hot room makes good sense to prolong life.

Internals of the Harvia Xenio junction box, circuit board with control logic is on the left, contactors (power relays) are on the upper right.  Additional contactors are typically required for North America units to meet safety requirements and adapt to 240 Volt single-phase power.

The next step up the line uses a wi-fi connection to allow turning the unit on/off from a distance further then feasible using a wired remote.  The Tylo Sense Elite line incorporates this feature but be prepared to spend big bucks.  Tylo states unequivocally that this feature is for turning on the unit from another location on your property.  It specifically is not intended to turn on the unit from a location away from home.  So don’t expect to turn it on from the office to have it ready when you get home.

The Tylo Sense Elite with wi-fi control, mucho deniro.

Shop around as the control package price for the same unit can vary wildly among different distributors.  (When comparing prices do make sure the controller model numbers are exactly the same as there are a variants that look the same but intended for different heater units.)  Provided the controller is compatible with the heater, there is no reason you need to buy them from the same distributor if you find deals on each.  If shopping online (E-bay in particular), do ensure that the controller is certified for the US market.  European versions are configured to operate on different voltage forms and will not work on standard US 240 Volt single-phase power without significant modification.

Rock Cavity Design, Size, and Distribution

Rocks are essential for any sauna heater as they act as a heat sink, and thus allow soft steady heat over time.  An analogy from other applications might be a reservoir at a hydro-electric power plant or a flywheel in an engine.  Its purpose is to store energy and smooth out delivery.  A sauna heater without rocks would provide a blazingly hot blast when the heating elements cycled on and then the sauna would quickly cool when they cycled off.  Ideally, there is should no noticeable temperature fluctuation during heater element cycling.

So just as a large reservoir provides more steady and reliable hydro-electric power than small reservoir, does that mean the more rocks the better?  To an extent, yes.   There’s a point of diminishing return where more rocks makes no noticeable improvement in sauna temperature variations.  More importantly, more rocks can significantly increase sauna warm-up time as the rocks heat up much slower than the surrounding air.  A major selling point of an electric heater is their convenience.  If it takes two hours to warm up the sauna then one may as well build a fire.

Of course the rocks are also the source of steam when water is thrown on them, aka loyly.  More rocks are better here too as the heater can instantly convert more water to steam with less running through and ending up as a puddle on the floor.  However if there are too many rocks for the heater size then the rocks might not get hot enough to make steam in the first place.

You probably get the picture that the rock configuration requires some compromises to balance these competing factors.  Different compromises result in different heater performance.  Unfortunately, 80 to 90% of the heaters certified for the US family sauna market use the same basic setup with the same compromises (unlike the European market).  The standard is a wall-mounted unit, a fairly deep rock cavity, 45 lbs of rocks, and the rocks in direct contact with all heating elements.  Most electric heater models are the sauna equivalent of the Toyota Camry, functional and pragmatic, they get the job done but aren’t very inspiring.  Not only that, most are pretty drab in appearance, a real shame after all that work in building the sauna and hand selecting cedar boards.

The Polar HMR-80, a solid performer that exemplifies the typical design used in the overwhelming majority of units certified for North America. Unimaginative yet it gets the job done.

Some Imaginative Designs Available in North America

There are some notable exceptions that show some imaginative engineering.  Tylo heaters use side chambers where a large portion of the heating element only contacts air.  Rocks are limited to the center cavity and are fewer in quantity than that of competing models.  Some hold as little as 20 lbs of rocks.  This results in fast sauna warm-up times.

Marketing pitch from Tylo explains the side chambers.

You would think this approach would cause sharp heat and large temperature fluctuations but Tylo implemented a clever solution.  Virtually all family sauna heaters use three heating elements that turn on and off together.  Tylo, on the other hand, operates their heating elements in stages.  Rather than turning on or off all three elements at once, it changes the number of active heating elements based on the desired temperature change.  This helps smooth out temperatures over time despite the small rock quantity.

There are also some family sauna free-standing towers that have been recently certified for North America including the Harvia Cilindro and the Finnleo Himalaya.  These have huge rock capacity as they hold over 200 lbs. of stones.  There is also plenty of exposed rock surface for throwing water thus creating strong bursts of loyly.  These recent entries into the US market hopefully indicate we’ll soon see more true variety available to the US consumer.

New North America certified models, the Harvia Cilindro (left) and the Finnleo Himalaya (right). Each holds 200 pounds of sauna stones and is refreshingly unique for the US.

We ended up selecting the Harvia Virta, another imaginative model recently certified for North America.  The Virta is a floor standing unit that holds 110 pounds of rocks.  It uses a clever cage to separate the rocks from the heating elements that Harvia claims will speed up warming time.  We selected it based on its features and lots of good feedback and comments on European websites (thank you Google translate!) and we’ll post a report once we are up and running.  Plus the unit is just stunningly beautiful to look at, using high quality polished stainless steel punctuated by crisp, straight lines.

When our unit arrived it was plastered with hideous orange and white warning stickers that assume the user is an imbecile.  Not only that, they stop just short of telling you not to turn the unit on at all if you know what’s good for you.  Somehow I doubt the units shipped within Finland end up like this. Fortunately they are removable and will be coming off ASAP.

The Harvia Virta, available in 6.8 and 9 kW models.  Don’t put a faucet above it as shown in the picture as that violates safety regulations in the US.  Our European friends don’t seem as concerned.


This article ended up a bit longer than originally intended but I’ve become a bit obsessed with these units over the last year or so.  Our sauna is on track to be up and running in about 6 weeks (middle of Summer unfortunately) after we finally got started in March.  It’s been quite an adventure that did include some electrical service upgrades.  Despite all that, it’s been a blast and Glenn’s e-book and email assistance have been a huge help.

Believe it or not, there’s a bunch more to cover on these units that I’ll put in a follow-up post.

Link to Part II here.

Ed Note: For even more chatter with Jeff, I couldn’t resist copy/pasting our email conversations about electric sauna stoves, here.  He is miles beyond me in knowledge and fresh information on the topic, and i’m most pleased to share this with you.

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29 thoughts on “Electric sauna stove brands, sizing, controls, and design well researched and reviewed by a professional electrical engineer (Part I)”

  1. i want with a tylo sport 8 kw unit, specifically because of the side air chambers and faster heating times, works great. in the winter time, only one element is necessary to keep the hot room hot once the rocks heat up. it will sometimes turn on the second element for a period if it is really cold (i.e. 10 degrees F or colder). one thing i would have changed was to get a remote contactor box. i don’t need all the wifi bells and whistles but having the electro-mechanical timer on the unit in the hot room leads to a ‘cbs 60 minutes’ effect, with a constant ticking. my hot room is insulated well enough that i can turn the whole thing off for the last round and sit in silence but it would be nice to be quiet the whole way through.

    strong consideration should be given to running a neutral to the sauna with the two hot 240v legs (and equipment grounding conductor) to allow for 120v loads (e.g. lighting and convenience receptacles). i have a detached sauna and put a subpanel in the changing room, with separate breakers for the heater, lighting and interior/exterior convenience receptacles. an outdoor receptacle is great for plugging in tools, a radio, etc.

    and as a point of clarification, the sauna heater circuit does not need to be served from the main service panel, a subpanel is totally acceptable. this is what i did with mine, i served the sauna from a subpanel i installed as part of my basement finishing project.

    also note that the nec is actually quite specific about how to calculate loads in sizing an electrical service. newer 200 amp services typically have no issue but may become a concern with older 100 amp services or really old 60 amp services.

  2. Hi Miller – Thanks for commenting, your post on building your own sauna (assuming it’s the same Miller) was a huge influence on my efforts. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve looked at the photos for hints.

    You are right about using a subpanel as the source if one’s available. I guess the bigger point I was trying to make is that it needs a dedicated breaker and can’t be “plugged in”. I completely agree also with running the neutral for accessories to have both 120/240 V. The Harvia I bought can control lighting and an exhaust fan from it so they recommend routing the neutral to the contactor box itself for this purpose too.

    The NEC does specify how to calculate loads but I didn’t think most casual readers are familiar with it or have a copy. There are also Excel spreadsheets available online if you google around a bit that incorporate all the NEC rules and allow a DIY load calc. I’m an EE (and I think you were too if I remember your post) so I’m comfortable doing it and did this for my house (100 Amp service). I’ve see some pretty scary homeowner wiring over the years so I didn’t want to encourage folks who aren’t versed in this to freelance in this area. That being said, if folks are sharp and willing to spend some time learning how to do it right then it’s certainly possible.

  3. jeff, can there be any other miller? 🙂

    i really need to get all my photos of my build up somewhere, i took hundreds. needed to trim it down to make a practical post but i’m sure i can figure something out to get them all up there.

    and i certainly wasn’t ragging on you with my previous comments, just trying to get info out there. electrical can be a daunting subject for the layman, best bet is to seek the advice of a professional rather than trust someone on the internet (even if they are a couple of rad EEs). local electricians are typically the best bet, they know the NEC as well as any amendments the local municipality may have adopted. if going the full permit route, they likely know the inspectors and how to work with them, a huge plus. engineers know a lot as well but let’s face it, we’re talking about a power drop to a sauna, not some high-end manufacturing facility or power plant…

  4. I’m loving reading these posts on electric heaters as I’ve been researching them as well.

    @miller – where can I find the write up on your sauna?

  5. Hi Miller – Just noticed you had replied. If you get a chance please do put your photos up somewhere and post a link as I’d love to see them. I’m really enjoying the engineering aspect of this whole project, particularly some of the minor details. My upper bench triangle brace went in last week and I’m pretty happy with how it came out, really compact size but solid as a rock. It’s one of those minor aspects that I probably thought about for a couple of weeks on and off since I wanted it to be bullet-proof. No one else will ever notice or care, but I’ll know it was done right! : )

  6. so i started a more detailed sauna build thread a few weeks ago:


    and of course, all the photos are hosted through photobucket. photobucket has recently changed its policies and it now costs $400/yr to hotlink from their site. check the news on it, quite the stink they have caused across the internet. writeup is sort of worthless without the photos but the easiest way i’ve found to see them is to use chrome. you can right-click on the photo placeholders and select ‘open image in new tab’. annoying, yes, but i am hoping photobucket changes its policies soon so i don’t have to host them somewhere else and re-build the entire thread.

  7. Hi Miller – Checking back in after a bit of an absence. Thanks for posting these and the thread. Regarding photobucket I ditched it long ago as it’s just too much of a hassle. Plus I use an adblocker so it won’t even let me open the photos in a new tab without disabling it. Arrgh.

    I’ve got a wordpress.com free account for a blog on another topic. One of the nice things about is I can upload all sorts of photos to hidden pages on any subject then hotlink right to them. It’s a nice free alternative to photobucket and the others.

  8. This is such an incredibly helpful thread (along with Part II) – I cannot thank you guys enough for sharing this information. I am also in the process of planning for a backyard sauna in Southern California (a much more urban setting than your beautiful spot). But these articles have been invaluable as I query electricians.

    I did have a question about the sauna timers and “ticking” sound – specifically, did you find that all heater-mounted controls – which appear to be mechanical – make a ticking sound? I’m getting conflicting info from the dealers I’ve inquired with. I’m looking at the Camry-type heaters, and one dealer said the Polar HMR heater-mounted controls do NOT make any ticking because they’re electronic. Another website, which seems to have a Polar-looking variant, warns of a ticking sound with these dial-timers and recommends the digital control. Still a third place (local here) uses a proprietary branded Finnish heater (also looks like a Polar or the Harvia examples you posted) and assures me that normally no ticking is heard. And you mention there’s typically ticking. Did you find that one model/brand would typically tick vs others that might not?

    Ticking in the sauna would be terrible. I’d prefer to save $ and get a basic, heater-mounted control, but if there’s too much uncertainty I might just hedge my bets and spring for the digital control (in which case does one mount it inside or outside the sauna?) But would love to hear from you and other folks who have actually interacted with electric heater with dial controls (wall or heater-mounted).

    Thanks again! Hope to be sharing photos here one day – not too many outdoor saunas I’ve heard of in SoCal.

  9. The electricians can wager in with more details, but controls should never be inside the hot room. Outside, in changing room only. Only exception is a non Finnish culture authorized volume control module – for music – installed inside the wall, right about where your ankle touches while sitting on the lower bench. If inviting a Finn to sauna, start with volume all the way down and see if you can ease it up a bit. But go easy. No rock and roll. And we take no offense to silent saunas as this is how it has been done for centuries.

  10. Thanks, Glenn. How about light switches? Can those be inside the hot room? (We’re building a sauna with no changing room due to space constraints and SoCal weather – no double-door grocery stores here! 🙂 )

  11. i can’t say i’ve seen every electric heater out there but all the ones i have seen with built-in controls utilize an electro-mechanical timer (complete with clicking sound). these are rugged devices suitable for the hot room environment, as opposed to the ‘fancier’ digital controllers with touchscreens, wifi interface, etc. i have built-in controls and honestly, you get used to the ticking and don’t even notice it after a while. if you want the separate controller, consider the installation environment if you don’t have a changing room. if outdoors, is it protected from the rain? protected from direct sunlight? keep those items in mind, might want to have a little canopy or something to place the controls under.

    similar for a light switch in the hot room. a ‘regular’ switch at the typical mounting height will not fare well. you could mount it low to the floor but now you run the risk of splashing water getting into it, bending over to operate it, etc. better to have an outdoor-rated switch on the exterior. my friend in seattle doesn’t have a changing room and uses an outdoor-rated light switch on the exterior, works great.

  12. Maya: I would put your light switch on a dimmer rated for outdoor use, on the outside wall. Glad you read about my double door grocery store observation! you get it!. (and So Cal weather is an entirely different story!).

  13. Has anyone bought and used a real full-sized electrical stove furnace for Russian sauna? I can’t find any online in the US.

  14. Hi Glenn,

    I just recently started looking around for information on saunas and I’m so glad that I came across your site, what a great resource!

    A question about the rock quantity. As discussed here, I understand that more is generally better, up to a point. I’m planning to build a small basement sauna and I am considering the Harvia Virta (~100 lbs capacity) or the Cilindro (~200 lbs capacity). The specs from Harvia indicate that the heat up time for either model, both at 6.8kW, is 1 hour (somehow they are the same?). I’m hoping to keep the heat up time down since I’ll be using the sauna for 30 minutes per session and don’t want to have it heating up for 2 hours every time.
    Would you recommend the Cilindro? Or would the Virta at 100lbs of rocks be more than enough for a small sauna, about 250 cubic feet?


  15. Martin:

    This is all good talk. Let me share a dirty secret: Amount of sauna rocks is not a reflection or guarantee of lampomassa and/or “ahhhhh” that is achieved either whilst sitting on the upper bench or via tossing water on the rocks.

    Some sauna rocks, especially down low, surrounding these electric heaters do not produce heat or steam. They are mainly cosmetic. I know this is a buzz kill, and all I can say is that Jeff, who wrote this article, is my go to source for electric sauna heater info. May the sauna gods bless him for his awesome work!

  16. Jeff:

    How has the Harvia Hirta Combi worked out for you. Would you do it again. Are you able to ventilate the sauna enough that the wood is in good shape a few years later?

    This would be great info as I am also interested in this model.


  17. Hi Jeff, I’ve been researching electric stoves for my to be built 7x7x8 sauna including 2 windows and a 1/2 window/door. Using your formula I’m coming up with 9.3 kw + 1 would be 10kw. The sauna will be in a building, well insulated, but with no heat. I’m starting to narrow my choices to the Harvia Virta and was toying with the idea of the Harvia Combi. I’d appreciate your thoughts and recommendations if you wouldn’t mind—as well as any other electric stove options. I’m located in Northern Minnesota (Lake Vermilion). Thank you for all of the great information you’ve been so kind to provide. (this will be my 3 rd sauna—1 wood by the lake and 2 electric inside two different buildings—can you tell I love saunas!!!)

  18. After reading this thread several times I am not sure the question regarding the Harvia heater was ever answered. Did I miss it? Is there an opinion on either those mentioned above or
    the cilindro? Thanks for expert insights. 🙂

  19. Glenn wrote, “Some sauna rocks, especially down low, surrounding these electric heaters do not produce heat or steam.”

    I talk about this in the article and agree. If there are too many rocks for the heating element the rocks won’t get hot enough to make steam, only those directly in contact with the element will. Like Glenn said, they are there for show.

    After three years with the Virta I probably sound like a shill but I think it’s about the perfect balance. It has 110 pounds of rocks with a 6.8 kW heater and none of them are for looks (most are hidden inside the cavity surrounding the elements). My test is when you dump a large coffee mug of water on it at once, how much water ends up on the floor? Amazingly with the Virta it’s none, it all instantly vaporizes. My humidity meter in the sauna goes from much less than 20% to over 50% in seconds. It’s pretty intense. Too intense sometimes if the room is already really hot.

    Plus it heats up the room to temp in about 30 minutes which is great (albiet this is So Cal not Northern MN), but too many rocks will slow that down. Like I say in the article, it’s a balancing act. Hopefully the article didn’t come across as saying “the more rocks the better” as that’s not what I intended. You need enough rocks to soften the heat and prevent the toaster oven effect but beyond that can do more harm than good.

    Glenn – I think I may have had a comment get stuck in your spam filter regarding ventilation as it isn’t showing up.

  20. I have a 6.8K Virta (without stream option) – much thanks to Jeff C for his thorough, insightful analysis- and have had the same experience regarding good Loyly , 0 moisture under the stove (after repeated dousings) and not feeling the ‘toaster’ effect, especially if it’s been on long enough (>1 hour) for heat to soak into the benches, etc…

    Moisture (basement sauna) has not been an issue at all. I do follow Glen’s ‘bake and breathe’ guideline. After my last round, I turn the temp up as high as it goes for 1 more hour, close the vents and keep a nearby bathroom vent fan on for 15 min. The next day, when I open the door / vents, the hot room temp is still 90+F and is bone dry.

    I’ve heard great things about the Himalaya first-hand from a local Finnish-born sauna expert who’s had his for several years. I don’t think you can go wrong with either the Virta or the Himalaya. If you can’t decide between the two, perhaps consider proximity to who you’d buy it from for purposes of support/convenience. Post-covid, I think I will try weasel into a session at the Himayala sauna to see how the Virta stacks-up and post here again with my observations.

    My sauna experiences in Northern MN / WI / MI have shown me that no electric sauna can hold a candle to a properly built wood-fired sauna. That being said, my electric Virta sauna built to Glen’s eBook and height/vent post-Finland trip blog entry specifications is by far the best electric sauna I’ve experienced, as well as better than many poorly-designed wood-fired saunas I’ve experienced. The stove is critical, but can be hindered by a sub-optimal hot room (venting, bench height, etc…). Luckily, this kicka$$ site, its founder and its community help amateurs like me, make the most of my stove.

  21. Agree Nic, the Virta is a great electric heater. Never used a Himilaya but I’ve heard good things. Also agree with your comments about a wood stove being best but a well-designed sauna with a great electric heater is awfully good.

    Ventilation really can be the difference between a good sauna and a great sauna IMO. After Glenn’s trip to Finland and the things he learned about venting I modified my sauna and it made a big difference. It was good before, now it’s perfect. Mine is an outdoor sauna with a changing room. My intake was a gap under the sauna door and the outlet was an adjustable vent under the upper bench.

    It worked pretty well most of the time except when it was windy outside. Since the intake was indoors (to the changing room) and the outlet was outdoors, wind outside would foul up the pressure differential and it wouldn’t flow at all. Sometime it would even flow backwards as I could feel air coming in the outlet. For proper ventilation the intake and outlet must vent to the same space (i.e same room for both indoors or both outdoors). I had read this but thought as long as I vented the changing room to outdoors it would still work. It sort of did but not good enough for me.

    I added an always-open intake to the outdoors next to the bottom of the heater. I also added an adjustable vent at the top of the sauna as an outlet. I now have two adjustable outlets, one mid height (under upper bench) and one high (at the ceiling). By adjusting the flow between these two I can change the temperature profile from the floor to the ceiling. Using the top vent only makes a big temp gradient as the floor is much cooler (good for when kids are in the sauna). Using the mid vent only makes the temp more even which is nice when sitting on the top bench (feet are still hot). Combining them can dial in most any temp profile.

    If building a sauna from scratch people might want to consider this as the cost is negligible but it adds great flexibility.

  22. Hi there,

    I’ve recently purchased and reassembled a custom built sauna from a friend I’m my garage. It uses a Nature NTSB 60 electric rock heater. I had it up and running well but decided to re-install the temperature gage to a different area and as I was reinstalling it I created a short in the junction box and seem to have fried an important part of the electronics. The friend I purchased it from has no information about where to get replacement parts and I can’t find any information about the company itself. Would it be possible to chat via email? Any help would be so greatly appreciated thanks!

  23. Darin:
    I’m not familiar with this unit. Hopefully someone else is on here, and can advise. I take it you tried contacting the mfr. That’s all I can suggest.

  24. I’ve read several recommendations on trying to design your sauna so that when sitting on the top bench at 36″ in height, your feet should be level with or higher than the top of the heater rocks, Since typical lower bench height is 18″ and the 6.8K Virta is 32.4″ high, does anyone have cold feet?

  25. I’ve got a question for Jeff regarding Grey Market Electric Heaters: I’ve been obsessing over getting something as close to wood burning as I can (I’m in California in an urban area, and this will be under my carport). I’m intrigued by the Virta and Himalaya and Cilandro, but found 2 other cool international ones: Huum and Saunum.



    is a massive amount of rock with a cool external control. Saunum


    has a venting thing where it distributes temp and steam throughout sauna, which claims to even temp of benches and give a better sweat and softer sauna. What is your opinion on this, Glenn and Jeff? Seems like you wouldn’t get a break on the lower bench, but, perhaps you wouldn’t need one if the heat was so balanced.

    And Jeff, my main question: If I get this internationally, how hard would it be to wire it up to a 240 V? It’s Estonian made. I’m in contact with manufacturer, but curious what you think. I’m just so bored of the sturdy but bland American heaters and want something that adds value to something I’m already spending 8k on.

  26. Hi, Everyone!
    I know that HUUM has SGS certifications for many of its heaters for the US market. So, they are easy to install and safe to use.

  27. For sure, Teet, but importantly, and hopefully soon , Huum heaters will achieve UL 875 certification. And the controller UL353 and Ul873. It’s a litigious minefield over here in US!

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